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jayel 650Rider Supporter
Joined: Apr 16, 2006 Posts: 3417 Location: SE Iowa 1974 TX650A
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Posted: July 20, 2009, 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Hey Jayel, why did you wait so long to share this little factoid? how long have you been hack'in? | other people had you pretty well covered, I have rode sidecars since around 1970's have had several over the years, first one was on a 58 H-D FLH, had'm on Hondas, Yams I just have to have enough bikes in the stable to dedicate one to sidecar use, like my solo bikes for longer runs
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gordonscott Full Member
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Posted: July 24, 2009, 5:42 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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I posted this under "motorcycle music" but here is a link for this thread, take a ride in the sidecar.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLYNk6DBiZo
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heckienawjoe Full Member
Joined: Jul 18, 2009 Posts: 17 Location: Chicago
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Posted: July 30, 2009, 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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dont know how to quote pics, but gordonscott if u dont mind my asking...can you give me some info about that seat?? looks awesome and im looking to get a new seat for mine. knowing you its prob custom, but i had to ask. thanks!
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heckienawjoe Full Member
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Posted: July 30, 2009, 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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haha very creative! nice work man. just curious, sorry to jack the sidecar thread yall
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gordonscott Full Member
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Posted: August 5, 2009, 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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sprockets and chain with lower gearing (36 tooth), big difference and much advised on sidecar outfit.
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1ironhead Full Member
Joined: Apr 12, 2009 Posts: 127 Location: Pittsburgh,Pa.
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Posted: August 9, 2009, 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Good thread.Finally finished it and will now keep up with it.Here's a old California basket case I picked up for $150 on CL.I bought it before even starting to read this thread.I wanted to build a foot clutch/suicide shift set up like the world renouned Fong Bros and thought a sidehack would be a good wat to keep from losing balance on starts and stops in city traffic.After reading this I may have to reconsider taking my left hand off the bars so often.I quess I'll experiment first.The links and pics are appriciated.I took simple math in school.At almost 49,this stuff makes me want to broaden my horizons.Very inspirational.Thanks.
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1ironhead Full Member
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Posted: August 9, 2009, 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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One question:Will having no shock make my hack easier to set up(empty and loaded) ?
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gordonscott Full Member
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Posted: September 4, 2009, 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Sorry so long in reply, have not checked this thread in a while. First congrats on the sidecar, nice looking chair those are you will have a lot of fun I promise, like starting new again. About you’re “no suspension” on the sidecar? Yes much easier to set up and when weight in car it won’t sag and pull to the right. Harleys have done this forever, they have leaf springs under the car body, and you could do it with short coils maybe? When setting up sidecar get on bike, tie strap the suspension in place with you on it and then line everything up. This way the "lean out" won't change when you get on bike. If sidecar has shock, load with proper amount of weight (passenger weight) in car as well and tie down so it will stay in place. Good luck and if any questions I will try to help if I can.
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1ironhead Full Member
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Posted: September 5, 2009, 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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I'm not here quite as often since things seemed to have been moving S L O W L Y.I have learned that my chair is not rigid after all.It has a tortion ? spring.Any other suggestions in setting this up?I put this project on the back burner(probably till winter),but will still follow this thread and do my research.
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gordonscott Full Member
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Posted: September 6, 2009, 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Hey Ironhead, here is some good info for ya..... www.sidecarmaniac.nl/home2.html go to "sidecar tech" very helpfull
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1ironhead Full Member
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Posted: September 7, 2009, 5:04 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Thanks G,I saw a little different design for a fork brace also.I like yours alot,but this one kinda jumped out at me.I lost the pic.so no link,but I got it in my head.Keep us posted on the leading link.
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Barbara Full Member
Joined: Feb 17, 2008 Posts: 812 Location: Washington State
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Posted: September 18, 2009, 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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That's going to be a very interesting front end! I'll be checking in to see how it works out! (I'm seriously considering converting my sidecar to use with a BMW R80 I just picked up, and an Earles-based front end would look "right" on that bike, too.....
Lots to think about. Oh--about tie-strapping the chair while you sit on the bike? I just loaded the bike with weight approximating my own, measured the leanout and braced it there, then kept it there while I did the initial mounts. Admittedly I've changed it a dozen times (at least) but that was the starting point. (Jeez, and I'll have to start over on the BMW! Rats!)
So, any thoughts about producing a couple of those front ends for sale if they work out well? There might be a market, starting with me.....
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Jaelith the XS650 with sidecar
Britney the BSA
Gemini the BSA
Baby B. the BSA
Big John the BSA
The unnamed Triumph T-140
and the 1979 XS650....with "potential"
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gordonscott Full Member
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Posted: September 19, 2009, 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Hi Barb, The front end I’m making is just a regular common leading link so no big advances for mankind there About setting up the chair, it is hard to do adjustments with all the weight in the chair, try the “strap the suspension” in place method and you will never go back. Think about it, making those little adjustments is hard enough but add 100+lbs on bike and chair and your job is even harder. Simply get on bike, strap suspension in place so when you get off bike it stays in place. #2 put passenger you carry most in chair and do the same so when they get out the suspension stays in place. Now your bike and sidecar is loaded without any weight! Alignment can now be done 100’s of pounds lighter and that makes for a much easier job getting bike and chair in sync and you don’t need a small pit crew to help. p.s. here is a great vid from "adventure sidecar" check it out and try it next time Barb, works great www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmUfekP2dz8
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Barbara Full Member
Joined: Feb 17, 2008 Posts: 812 Location: Washington State
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Posted: September 19, 2009, 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Hi Gordon,
Thanks for the link...very neat! I think that your method just might work---so where you when I was setting up my chair??
I do tend to just go out in the shed and try things until something works, but it's really nice to talk with people who actually know how to do things. Makes a huge difference the second time around, which will be coming up as soon as I finish cleaning, polishing and assembling the Beemer. Instead of building the chair mounts and the bike at once, as on the XS, I'll finish up the Beemer, ride it a bit to get the feel of it and work out the bugs, *then* mount the chair. Gonna be fun.....
_________________ Barb
Jaelith the XS650 with sidecar
Britney the BSA
Gemini the BSA
Baby B. the BSA
Big John the BSA
The unnamed Triumph T-140
and the 1979 XS650....with "potential"
Millie the 1980 airhead BMW |
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xsleo Full Member
Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Posts: 1528 Location: Earlville NY
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Posted: September 20, 2009, 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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I was reading an add for the Ural bike with a sidecar. One of the options is having both the rear wheel on the bike and the side car wheel drive. Do you think this would minimize the side ways pull of the chair when accelerating and braking?
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jayel 650Rider Supporter
Joined: Apr 16, 2006 Posts: 3417 Location: SE Iowa 1974 TX650A
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Posted: September 21, 2009, 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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xsleo wrote: |
I was reading an add for the Ural bike with a sidecar. One of the options is having both the rear wheel on the bike and the side car wheel drive. Do you think this would minimize the side ways pull of the chair when accelerating and braking? | helps with sideways push and pull but sucks when trying to turn
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gordonscott Full Member
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Posted: September 21, 2009, 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Actually it can be worse. When accelerating instead of pulling to right it pulls left, why? Because the weight load is not centered and it is easier to push the sidecar (lighter) then the bike, it is a 50/50 drive. This problem however becomes less evident with a passenger in the car to equal the weight distribution, a good thing really if you plan on carrying passengers or camping gear a lot. Now if it could only go over 55 lol…. Jayel is right about turning, it wants to go strait all the time and is harder to turn (force needed on bars) the faster you go, this is with all sidecar outfits regardless of 1 or 2 wheel drive. Enter “the leading link” :o) these frontends are strong and get the tire closer to zero trail, bad for two wheels but heaven for trikes and sidecars. Ural has the leading link and is set up for decent ease of turning. You dont need a leading link for ease of turning you just need to reduce trail. I just changed my design a bit over the weekend for looks and to get a little more room (away from tire) for where the swingarm will connect to the forks. This is "yankee engineering" close enough for horseshoes and handgranades so don't mind the chicken scratch notes....
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gordonscott Full Member
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Posted: October 7, 2009, 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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Have the swing in the swingarm now, bushings work fine now after some tweeking. I had the swingarm clamped down to table with a tube and bolt between each plate and it still warped under heat enough to be a pain, 16th or so but has to be spot on for it to swing free. Had to heat it up a little and and twist it back into shape, works free now. Shocks are on the way and will be here Saturday, 16 3/4" eye to eye.
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Posted: October 22, 2009, 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Hi Barb and other sidecar folk |
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