tittle a frame

snapcasezx3 · Posted: June 7, 2008, 1:04 am Post subject: tittle a frame

If you make a frame, how do you get it tittled? I know that the tittle stays with the frame, so how do you make a new tittle for a fabricated frame? I live in Oregon if that helps any.

Thanks

jayel · Posted: June 7, 2008, 8:20 am Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

go to your state DMV site and look at what they have to say about special construction vehicles

BiffTirkle · Posted: June 7, 2008, 8:54 am Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

here in va its expensive as hell. there are all kinds of fees, a visual inspection fee thats somewhere near 250.00 then there is a title fee thats around 300. then there is something else, then you have to have special insurance. the list goes on.

there are a few options, one isnt very ethical

1. when building a frame, cut the stem/neck off an original titled frame. and build your frame from that. that way, you've got a titled frame when your done.

2. a guy at a shop i took my frame to, to get some welding done told me a trick. if you've already built a frame, or had one built, you then need a title for that custom frame. if you have a titled frame, or can buy one for cheap. stamp the vin from the title or frame onto the new frame. then grind off the vin, and send it to your nearest metal recyclers. there you are, a titled frame for a whole lot less.

the guy at that shop had two or three bikes like that, and informed me he was even pulled over. and passed. so.....

i am not condoning or encouraging the second option, but it would seem to do if you absolutely had to. the first option is certainly the way to go, if you havent already built your frame.

xsleo · Posted: June 7, 2008, 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

stamping numbers from one frame to another, makes me a bit nervous. there are special cops that are trained to spot forged numbers. the work the bike gatherings all over the states. if they think your bike has forged numbers they can and will impound the bike untill you can prove to them that the numbers are legit. if not you will lose your bike. i would go the first option if it where me. the original stamping of the numbers is hard to duplicate. if the stamping is original then the police can't do anything.

snapcasezx3 · Posted: June 7, 2008, 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

yah, the first method sounds good thanks for the replies

Cooltouch · Posted: June 9, 2008, 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

xsleo wrote:

stamping numbers from one frame to another, makes me a bit nervous. there are special cops that are trained to spot forged numbers. the work the bike gatherings all over the states. if they think your bike has forged numbers they can and will impound the bike untill you can prove to them that the numbers are legit. if not you will lose your bike. i would go the first option if it where me. the original stamping of the numbers is hard to duplicate. if the stamping is original then the police can't do anything.

If the bureaucrats didn't make things so bloody difficult to title a frame that previously had no VIN, people would not be forced into getting "creative."

I've been to LOTS of bike gatherings here in Texas and have never once seen anybody inspecting VINs, uniformed or otherwise. Assuming worst case, that an LEO sees a stamped VIN that looks suspect (a legit VIN copied from a now crunched frame) and impounds the bike, it seems to me that, if you can show a title to the LEOs that is in your name and has the same VIN as is stamped on the bike, they can't do squat. What's their argument gonna be?

Best,

ichael

xs1961 · Posted: June 9, 2008, 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

If it anything like here in the UK the only bikes the cops are intrested in are the expensive 'sports' bikes, stamping numbers over here is called 'ringing' & theres big money to be made stealing & 'ringing' but only worthwhile the thieves doing if top ££ can be made ,so the authorities arent bothered by 'ol/classic' iron!
I myself have been stamping my old frames for years , hell,one of my bikes frame/chassis numbers are on three seperate bikes,means I get to ride 3 bikes for one road tax/insurance layout Wink

BiffTirkle · Posted: June 9, 2008, 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

xs1961 wrote:

I myself have been stamping my old frames for years , hell,one of my bikes frame/chassis numbers are on three seperate bikes,means I get to ride 3 bikes for one road tax/insurance layout Wink

haha!! thats the funniest thing ive heard in a long time. good for you!!!

heres how i figure it, if you stamp a frame, brush it up, paint or powdercoat the frame, you wouldnt be able to tell if it was stamped recently or 20 years ago. unless you had someone that was an "expert" on all frames, and what they should look like. i understand people stealing bikes and stamping frames, but i believe we are talking about custom made frames. so in my opinion, if you have a wrecked bike, or a titled stock frame. and you stamp the #s onto your new CUSTOM frame. then whats the harm? saving a little bit of money, and i doubt someone is going to scrutinize the bike looking for a forged vin. and besides you will have to get a vin stamped onto your new frame after you register it anyway, it would just state custom on your registration. how would most people, including cops know the difference in a modified stock frame, and a complete custom frame. i dont think they would.

again, like i said, i dont condone it. because if you can get it trouble for it, it would happen to me.

dpmphoto · Posted: June 16, 2008, 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

Whats a good method for stamping a frame???? Also if your trying to get a vin for a bike frame you made, goodluck with insurance I hear it's ridiculous

Cooltouch · Posted: June 16, 2008, 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

A stamp set something like this one will probably work just fine:

www.wttool.com/categor...y_id/14971

Best,

ichael

drifter · Posted: June 16, 2008, 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

xsleo wrote:

stamping numbers from one frame to another, makes me a bit nervous. there are special cops that are trained to spot forged numbers. the work the bike gatherings all over the states. if they think your bike has forged numbers they can and will impound the bike untill you can prove to them that the numbers are legit. if not you will lose your bike. i would go the first option if it where me. the original stamping of the numbers is hard to duplicate. if the stamping is original then the police can't do anything.

ost of the time those guys are looking for renumbered Harleys. They don't normally bother with bikes the age, size and design of XS650s, even when they run custom frames.

Dave

xs1961 · Posted: June 17, 2008, 3:35 am Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

Same goes over here..Harleys & top of the range sports bikes..Pigs are ignorant of & dont care about 'classics'..

Cooltouch · Posted: June 18, 2008, 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

xs1961 wrote:

Same goes over here..Harleys & top of the range sports bikes..Pigs are ignorant of & dont care about 'classics'..

You'd think that, in the land that gave birth to the Triumph, BSA, and Norton (not to mention all the other wonderful marques), they'd be a bit more sensitive to the classics, especially since they're quite valuable nowadays. But I digress . . .

Best,

ichael

dpmphoto · Posted: June 18, 2008, 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

Thanks for the link cool t, do you need to heat up the frame before stamping

xs1961 · Posted: June 18, 2008, 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: tittle a frame

No mate, heavy steel hammer, well worth aralditing( two-pack apoxy ) a couple of strips of wood or steel to keep the stamps in line ... Wink

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